As I learned later on, he's becoming very belligerent to Mother. What do you say to people who are so convinced or are trying to believe in his innocence? We know he owned a rifle. He said no, that wasnt necessary, he could take care of it. One was he wanted to get his manuscript typed up and written. December 4, 1963: In an interview Lee Harvey Oswald's mother, Marguerite Oswald, says assumes her son is innocent and that President John F. Kennedy would be alive and so would her son if Oswald . Whereas Ella was rather innocent and timid and curious and prone to a kind of girlishness, Marina was anything but that. A former litigator, Posner is a fulltime investigative writer. So, to me, that was his back-up plan if everything else failed. Tell me about that, and what his attitude is and the kinds of things you talked about. I think he was surprised when he stepped off the plane in Dallas Field -- he asked me, "What, no reporters?" Now apparently, for whatever reasons or however they checked it out, they found out whatever he knew wasnt necessarily anything theyd be interested in. Youve talked about Lees character trying to do something, getting frustrated, doing something dramatic. He said, "I don't know what they're talking about." Buscar Amazon.com.mx. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? If it was any other murder case other than the president of the United States, it would have been resolved right then. I mean, youre his brother; you would want to believe more than anyone. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. But he had prepared answers and statements, anticipating reporters either at the ship or some place down the line on the return. They didn't finalize that. They even asked me if Id ever been an agent of the federal government or the CIA. I said, What did you tell them? He says, Well, dont you know? and he just laughed. This is a struggle that has gone on with me for almost 30 years now. FRONTLINE reports from Iraq on the miscalculations and mistakes behind the brutal rise of ISIS. When Lee got back from Russia, the way he talked about the Russian system, he didnt talk about it politically, in the sense that he was wrapped up in communism or Marxism. What Lee missed from his childhood in comparison to me was the whole family being together all the time. Or he just walked the streets, ride the subways. You've talked about Lee's character -- trying to do something, getting frustrated, doing something dramatic. Three, maybe more fundamentally, I think that modern man, especially in modern America, is just congenitally incapable of making sense of tragedy. This was 1959. I had to ask him very serious questions. Included is an interview with Abraham Zapruder, the clothing manufacturer and amateur moviemaker who shot the now . But at the same time, he always was trying to get away from her. He always enjoyed books, but then he started exploring other areas. He was in control. It just floors me, it floored me then. You look at all the data there, and it comes up to one conclusion as far as Im concerned the Warren Commission was correct. He was ready. Interview'The defense actually made a pretty good case' Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald on live TV, yet his trial was no slam dunk In new book 'Kennedy's Avenger,' Dan Abrams and David. He didn't elaborate on that. They didnt finalize that. There is a power that comes from Marxist doctrine, a sense of belonging to something right now that is on the cusp of doing something very, very important. He was relaxed, but at about the second day, he starts talking about where hes going. Marina was upbeat on it. With John F. Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, Nigel Barber, Raymond Burns. After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. Were talking seven, eight, nine, 10 years old. . And why it wasnt stopped sooner. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with Frontline's first broadcast of "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?" Its there; put it to rest. He really wasn't. Convinced that his brother was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Oswald offers details in this interview about Lee's formative years and young adult life, and describes how his brother's love of television shows on intrigue and espionage such as "I Led Three Lives," became the "training ground for his imagination." At 11:21 am CST while authorities were escorting Oswald through the police basement to an armored car that was to take him to the nearby county jail Ruby stepped out from a crowd of reporters and fired his .38 revolver into Oswald's abdomen, fatally wounding him. FRONTLINE: WHO WAS LEE HARVEY OSWALD? His fellow Marines called him Oswaldskovich, because he never shut up about his admiration for communism or the Soviet Union. He was assuming everything was being recorded, and, unfortunately, it wasn't. It just didn't fit. I think thats an understatement. We were away from Lee during the three years of military school, only seeing him during the summer vacations or holiday-type things. This type of thing would interest him, whether he went to an art museum or a library or a movie theater or just walked around and saw sights. I think it's fair to say the Kennedy assassination had very little to do with John F. Kennedy. He would talk about anything else. From Russia, he had written you, saying that he was worried about charges being brought against him when he came back. There are any number of possible outcomes -- or temples, so to speak -- he could have turned to. What was going on there? I said, "Lee, they've got you charged with the death of the president, shooting a police officer. When Lee came back to Fort Worth, what kind of spirits was he in, and what kind of hopes did he have for his new life here? We had an old black-and-white. As this realization deepens and becomes more omnipresent and more unavoidable, he feels a greater and greater need to get out, to escape. But my goodness, this is completely out of the ballpark. When he returned to the United States, he didnt want to be a Russian. Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two? If we go and get right down to the bottom line, we have to say, really and truly, in all candor, [she did] a lousy job, a lousy job. You could tell by the tone of the language, not that we could understand the Russian language, but the tone and the facial expressions that they were having an argument. Living in Fort Worth, TV was making its debut. At every step of the way, what leads Oswald to trying to remove himself from the Soviet Union is not anything intellectual or ideological -- nothing substantive in that respect. tapes & transcripts+credits+privacy policy What was his wife, Marina, like? There is no question in my mind that Lee was responsible for the three shots fired, two of the shots hitting the president and killing him. It features interviews with Rachel Oswald Porter and June Oswald Porter, the daughters of Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald, who were raised by their mother and their adoptive father, Kenneth Jess Porter. After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. How would he have reacted to that? He pressed the lieutenants, he pressed the platoon leaders. But the Marine Corps has got set procedures and so forth to follow. I think that's an understatement. One was he wanted to get his manuscript typed up and written. NARRATOR: Within two hours, the police had arrested 24-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald. Lee had high hopes when he first got back as to what he was going to do. Explore FRONTLINEs collected and ongoing reporting on Russia's war on Ukraine. This is a lawyer well known for being involved in left-wing causes. As chief counsel to the 1977 House Select Committee on Assassinations, Blakey led the investigation into President John F. Kennedy's assassination, reexamining the evidence with a new forensics panel. discussion+glimpse of a life+links & readings+teacher's guide By Melissa De Witte Those alive when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963, remember where they were and what they were doing when they heard the news the president had been shot. Now apparently, for whatever reasons or however they checked it out, they found out whatever he knew wasn't necessarily anything they'd be interested in. But certainly by age three, he had the sense, "I need to be someplace else." He wasn't present when they took a head count [at the Texas School Book Depository]. Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. Plus, Bob Schieffer remembers his own run-in. I asked him, I said, "Lee, what in the Sam Hill is going on?" This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with the first broadcast of FRONTLINE's "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?". tapes & transcripts+credits+privacy policy But I think all of Oswald's remarks are included here.To hear Lee Harvey Oswald's two radio interviews, go here:http://Oswald-On-The-Radio.blogspot.com We spent some time together. Lees trying. She had certain characteristics that were so much like Lee: the time and circumstances always seemed to be against her; the world owed her a living; she wanted to be somebody. Can you sort of talk about that character trait? Account en lijsten Retourzendingen en . This montage of early 1990s television specials was curated by the JFK Assassination Forum. Tracked down in 1977, Marguerite demanded a payday before talking about her son and showed off her 'library' of JFK assassination books. None took him seriously. People ought to take note of this, that he should be interesting. But then, Oct. 31, we hear that hes in Russia. I think the way Lee learned New York was just apply himself to it. I think he just liked the atmosphere that you could do anything that you wanted to do, that you could imagine you could do. Lee's fantasy life, to me, became apparent in the 1948, 1949, 1950 period. In this interview, Posner talks about the forensic evidence over the years that points to Oswald as the lone assassin and the lack of credible evidence to support the various conspiracy theories. New York City. You dont think that there was any possibility that he was on some mission when he went to Russia? Thats the way I read him at the time. To try to understand why Lee did what he did on Nov. 22 is a cumulative effect of all his past plans and efforts and failures. Historically in his life, it was always done by himself. All these ups and downs hes having, he keeps trying to get up and make it at some level, but hes not succeeding. on May 8, 2016. His mother had the same type of imagination. It maybe opened up some doors for him. Historically in his life, it was always done by himself. I mean, they had asked the wrong man. You've got all the physical evidence that ties together. So he thought he'd get a post office box that would be a permanent-type thing. Here was a start. His plans, as we well know now, were already made to go to Russia, rather than to Cuba. Oswald had lived in Russia for three years at the height of the Cold War.This video, culled from NBC-TV's 11/22/63 coverage, includes Oswald's brief television appearance on New Orleans station WDSU-TV in August of 1963.Portions of this TV interview can be seen in various documentaries and films, but rarely is the entire (but brief) interview ever shown. How can you explain one without the other? Although Marina declined to be interviewed for FRONTLINE's program, McMillan talks about the perplexing, troubling events of Oswald's life based on what Marina confided to her. Definitely not. Somehow, somebody never realized what the Sam Hill was going on. . After the assassination you see Lee in the police station, in the jail. The Cold War was going on. With regard to his return home from Russia in June 1962 with his family what did he tell you about reporters meeting him, and what do you think it really meant? WGBH educational foundation, In Fight Against ISIS, a Lose-Lose Scenario Poses Challenge for West. But she certainly conveyed it to John and I at very early ages. Hallo Bestemming kiezen Alle. Web Site Copyright 1995-2023 WGBH Educational Foundation. ", home+introduction+interviews+forum+twenty four years+conspiracy . They didn't know for sure if he was an agent or not. They've got your pistol. Once again, it's just a continual cycle, and it starts downhill. As I learned later on, hes becoming very belligerent to Mother. 49K views 9 years ago WDSU-TV interviews Lee Harvey Oswald in 1963 when he was living in New Orleans. He was, in fact, an American citizen all the time, and still had the rights of the American citizen. But he became disgusted with it and started rebelling against it, because he wanted to go back to a more independent attitude. LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.nl: Boeken. To me, you can't reach but one conclusion. If it didn't work for Russia, he was going to stay in Europe anyway. I didnt press it any further. Finally, I guess, I couldn't stand it anymore. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. It seemed like we were never in a location [more than] six or seven months, maybe a year at the most. It was a game to him. As things progressed down the line the job didn't work out. You look at that last year his work, and his family, trying to go to Cuba, trying to go back to Russia. They've got your rifle. He was using his own imagination. And you don't know what the Sam Hill is going on? The continuity there, the lack of stability, I think, entered into that to a large degree. One in this documentary series. In his interview with FRONTLINE, Blakey calls the prosecution case against Lee Harvey Oswald "open and shut." Im sure for a certain minimal fee, you could ride the subways all day, and he would do it just to get around. Initially, when we started talking, I was concerned about his bruises on his face that he had received at his capture at the Texas theater. She has no control over him. And that's all it was. Yes, Oswald moved twenty times with his mother before he turned seventeen, which is when he joined the Marines. Hola, identifcate. He really wasnt. We're talking seven, eight, nine, 10 years old. We want to impose order and logic on everything. I said, "If you told me everything you've done, it seems to me you have a case that you could perhaps get a reversal on that, that you did not do anything that they anticipated you done." He found a spot, not very far, from where Walker was. They wasn't going to convince him to say something. I don't know. Also, he was put into an apartment that was a short walk from the Institute for Foreign Languages in Minsk, where one would meet girls who were studying English and were interested in foreigners, and were probably more adventurous, you might say. When I returned home from work that evening, I asked him about it, and he said, Well, everything went all right. This is a struggle that has gone on with me for almost 30 years now. He wasn't political. To me, you cant reach but one conclusion. (TV) Summary. The big question is why. I mean, I watched the deterioration of a human being. He's already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that they're moving to Dallas. Last month Secretary of State John Kerry, commenting in an interview on the 50th anniversary of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, said: "To this day, I have serious doubts that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. Hes already tried living with Mother for about a week to 10 days, and that went the way it usually goes. Similarly, the committee believed it was less likely that Ruby entered the police basement without assistance, even though the assistance may have been provided with no knowledge of Ruby's intentions The committee was troubled by the apparently unlocked doors along the stairway route and the removal of security guards from the area of the garage nearest the stairway shortly before the shooting There is also evidence that the Dallas Police Department withheld relevant information from the Warren Commission concerning Ruby's entry to the scene of the Oswald transfer.When Ruby was arrested immediately after the shooting, he told several witnesses that he helped the city of Dallas \"redeem\" itself in the eyes of the public, and that Oswald's death would spare \"Mrs. You cant set that aside just because he is saying, Im a patsy. Id love to do that, but you cannot. Two, Jack Ruby did inestimable harm to the whole process of America coming to terms with what happened. He's on a downhill run. The main thing was getting a job and a manuscript. Seleccionar el departamento en el que deseas buscar. And you dont know what the Sam Hill is going on?, I became kind of intense at that point, looking into his eyes. Theyve got your pistol. Search the history of over 797 billion Well, he went to do the things he always liked to do got to the movies if he had the money, go to the library and read if he didnt have it. 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Although that was Marguerite Oswald's first network television interview in many years, we were not the first journalists to speak with her. He's failing in his marriage and in his attempts to do whatever he wants to do. I've managed to keep it quiet." . Those are the indications that say he took some thought, some planning over a long period of time. Can you summarize what the atmosphere was like there that Saturday, and what you made of it? We were a burden. Uploaded by About October 1962 things were not going along too good. Even fifty years later, Oswald's Minsk period remains understudied, despite the fact that Oswald's time in the Soviet Union was the longest period of stability in his life. LEGEND: THE SECRET WORLD OF LEE HARVEY OSWALD : Epstein, Edward Jay: Amazon.com.mx: Libros. Cuenta y Listas Devoluciones . But you go back to the death of Dad two months before he was born, that's a tremendous impact. Hed made some contacts within the Russian community in Fort Worth and in Dallas. The two girls grew up in a small Texas town, sheltered . We also talked about her time as a reporter in Moscow in 1959 when she met 20-year-old American defector Lee Harvey Oswald in her hotel. Not surprisingly, as his novelty began to wear off, his interest in Minsk began to wear thin. I said, "Yes. How can you explain one without the other? The fact that he could put on a facade and pretend to be somebody he wasnt to me, it gets down to what happened later on. Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. It sounds like Oswald's disillusionment stemmed as much from personal as political reasons. I would love to be able to say that Lee was not involved in any way whatsoever, or much less to the extent that I believe that he was. Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two? Industries Crime and. Oswald refused to talk to anyone at the U.S. embassy. There is no question in my mind that he also shot Officer Tippit. You see him for a few days when he gets out [of the Marines]. Could you describe Oswald's relationships with women? I wasnt real sure what the explanation was. Of course, we can't extricate ourselves permanently or perfectly from wherever it is we come from, no matter how much we try, and we are always functions of our place, even if we wish not to be. When you learned he had defected, did you have any explanation? As far as Lee giving any information to the Russians while he was over there, even though he said he would if they had asked, apparently they werent interested in it. Saltar al contenido principal.es. There is no question in my mind that Lee was responsible for the three shots fired, two of the shots hitting the president and killing him. Hes on a downhill run. You look at that last year -- his work, and his family, trying to go to Cuba, trying to go back to Russia. We had an old black-and-white. Theyve got the camera. I asked him about this lawyer in New York and I told him I would get him one down here, meaning in Texas. Maybe the next time he went to the library, he would follow up on it, and say Well, lets really see what this is about. That to me is very plausible for him to do. John and I would be off doing other things. I couldnt believe it. . The Dallas Police Department was utter chaos. When he returned to the United States, he didn't want to be a Russian. I think theyre inseparable. The book's findings will catapult you into a trip through a house . He seemed to really get involved with it. We talked about family matters. A flat-screen TV plays interviews with Paine about Marina, Lee Harvey, Paine's grief about the assassination and the terrible aftermath. He played an awful lot of hooky up there. We were away from Lee during the three years of military school, only seeing him during the summer vacations or holiday-type things. I didnt know but I think that was his posture all along, with the interrogators. He imagined himself taking part in something bold and totally separate from anything he had come from. Oswald grew up in very trying circumstances in the early part of his life. He would tolerate anything for a little bit. Convinced that his brother was solely responsible for the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Oswald offers details in this interview about Lees formative years and young adult life, and describes how his brothers love of television shows on intrigue and espionage such as I Led Three Lives, became the training ground for his imagination. He says that the hard physical evidence from the assassination leads him to one conclusion: The Warren Commission was correct. This interview was conducted in 1993 in conjunction with the first broadcast of FRONTLINEs Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? Oswald told Marina that killing Walker would have been like killing Hitler, so clearly Oswald imagined himself playing some kind of grand world-historical role, and it's noteworthy that the way in which he went about attempting to kill Walker was exactly the way he went about successfully killing John F. Kennedy. He'd made some contacts within the Russian community in Fort Worth and in Dallas. If it was any other murder case other than the president of the United States, it would have been resolved right then. Conspiracy theories point to purported inconsistencies in the events of Nov. 22, 1963, and in the evidence collected against Oswald. Its good that people raise questions and say, Wait a minute, lets take a second look at this. But when you take the second look and the third and the 40th and the 50th, hey, enoughs enough. They've got the original negative. There's hard physical evidence there. The appeal to Lee of something like that Marxism, communism, socialism, would be something unique, something different not [an] everyday occurrence. So from Oswald's vantage point, the Soviet experiment, as he would have seen it, was this marvelous opportunity to transcend where he came from. ", I became kind of intense at that point, looking into his eyes. I couldn't believe it. He knew something they didnt know, and he would keep it to himself. Among his nine books is the bestseller, Case Closed (1993), which concludes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. I was just completely in the dark. He is the author of the 1981 book, The Plot To Kill the President, and in the late 1960s he campaigned for and helped write much of the anti-racketeering legislation that would usher in the demise of the Mafia. Tell me about his growing problems with Marina. He said no, that wasn't necessary, he could take care of it. As far as Lee giving any information to the Russians while he was over there, even though he said he would if they had asked, apparently they weren't interested in it. Zoeken Amazon.nl. Here was a start. As Ruby evidently mismanaged the operation, he was given a choice to either finish the job himself or forfeit his life. His sense of dislocation, of alienation -- this sense that he's in the wrong place. You had said that he had very much been on his own in New York. What do you say to people who are so convinced or are trying to believe in his innocence? What did he do? He didnt elaborate on that. He was on his own in libraries. I anticipated, and I said to the family, "He'll be back within a year." Living in Fort Worth, TV was making its debut. You see him for a few days when he gets out [of the Marines]. Then he joins the Marines, and then he has a lot of people barking at him, a lot of discipline. He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. My first lawyer Tom Howard told me to say that I shot Oswald so that Caroline and Mrs. Kennedy wouldn't have to come to Dallas to testify. He gave it to me either the first or second night to read. What was going on there? It's about escaping the status quo and achieving some kind of greatness, as it were. I dont know how you want to express it, but thats the way he characterized her at the time. Youve got the backyard picture. But the diminutive nineteen-year-old Marine was serious. NL. He wasnt political. I say that in all honesty, because he tried to become what he needed to be to achieve his immediate objectives; i.e., he needed to be a Marxist and accept the Russians [to] get the experience in Russia. Author Norman Mailer, and others, have questioned why Ruby would have left his two beloved dogs in his car if he had planned on killing Oswald at police headquarters.The House Select Committee on Assassinations in its 1979 Final Report opined: Ruby's shooting of Oswald was not a spontaneous act, in that it involved at least some premeditation.