First, God gave plenty of commandments in Scripture that do not fall under the Mosaic law. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Ministries), Ian Andrews (International Association of Healing Ministries), LaNora Van Ardsall (Fountaingate Ministries International), John and Carol Arnott (Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship), Jill Austin (Master Potter Ministries), B: Heidi Baker (Iris Ministries), Jim and Lori Bakker (The New Jim Bakker Show), Jim and Mary Baker (Zion Christian Fellowship), John Belt (Live In His Presence Ministries), Todd Bentley, Mike Bickle (The International House of Prayer), Paul and Cheryl Black (Cornerstone Fellowship), Shawn Bolz (Expression 58), William Branham[1], C: Paul Cain (Shiloh Ministries), Wes and Stacey Campbell (RevivalNow!, BeAHero.org), Michael and Natalie Chevalier (France Revival), Nolan and Heather Clark (Jesus Feast/Revival Town), Randy Clark (Global Awakening), Kim Clement, Denny and Ann Cline (Albany Vineyard Church), Bobby Connor (EaglesView Ministries), Graham Cooke, Paul and Donna Cox (Aslan's Place), Dennis Cramer, D: Kimberly Daniels (Spoken Word Ministries), Paul Keith David (WhiteDove Ministries), Matt Dentino (Outreach Ministries International), E: John Eckhardt (IMPACT Network), Lou Engle (LouEngle.com), Aaron Evans (Emerging Daniel Company), Mike Evans (Wholeness Ministries), F: Emerson and Ana Mendez-Ferrell (Voice of the LIght Ministries), Will Ford (Will Ford Ministries), Theresa Forkins-Phillips (Chicago Prophetic Voice), Francis Frangipane, Sandi Freed, G: Joseph Garlington (Covenant Church of Pittsburgh), James and Michal Ann Goll (Encounters Network), H: Bill Hamon (Christian International), Scott Hicks (True Worship Ministries), Rodney Howard-Browne (Revival Ministries International), Ray Hughes (Selah Ministries), Theresa Hurlbert (Somebody Cares Ministries), I: Israel Relief Fund: A Caring Coalition for Such a Time as This, International School of Reconciliation Studies, J: Cindy Jacobs (Generals of Intercession), Harry Jackson, Jr. (The Hope Connection), Bill Johnson (Bethel Church), Bob Jones (Kansas City Prophet), Manasseh Jordon[2], Rick Joyner (Morningstar Ministries), L: Curt Landry (Israel Relief Fund), Marty Layton (LifePointe Church), Martha Lucia (Watchman Network), Keith and Sanna Luker (Prophetic Worship Radio), M: Jonathan Maracle (Broken Walls), Nancy Magiera (HUB Ministries), Cindy McGill (Hope for the Harvest), Reeni Mederos (Warriors Cave), Keith Miller (Stand Firm World Ministries), Joshua and Janet Mills (New Wine International), Myles Munroe (Bahamas Faith Ministries), P: Ben Peters (Open Heart Ministries), Jason Phillips (Revival Town Ministries), Churck Pierce (Glory Zion Ministries), Don Potter (PotterHausMusic.net), Paula Price, Prophetic.TV, R: Larry Randolph, Rick Ridings (Succat-Hallel Tabernacle of Praise), Alberto and Kimberly Rivera (Raining Presence), Ras Robinson (Fullness Online), S: John and Paul Sandford (Elijah House Ministries), Kent Simpson (Prophetic Ministries Today), Dutch Sheets, Brian Simmons (Gateway Christian Fellowship), Donna Smallenberg, Matt Sorger, Peter Spencer (Sound of Passion), Jay Swallow (Two Rivers Native American Training Center), T: Wade Taylor, Richard Twiss (Wiconi International), W: C. Peter Wagner (Global Harvest Ministries), David and Kathie Walters (GoodNews Ministries), M Leon Walters (The Latter House Kingdom Ministries), Sandy Warner (The Quickened Word), Barbara Wentroble (Wentroble Christian Ministries), Sharnael Wolverton (Swiftfire Ministries International), Y: Bill Yount (Blowing the Shofar Ministries), they [referring to Jerusalem] had Bickle and Lou Engle over there around a couple years ago - and I do want to encourage you for it was the - YOUTH - there that said they discerned this was not from God and they were very voiceterous to stand up against it and to speak out against all this-Lynn, www.johnthebaptisttv.com/bbpress/topic/2747-, Exodus 7:11, As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. A deeper understanding of the Text will help you understand who God is more fully. The Hebrew Roots Movement has influenced hundreds of thousands of Christians in recent decades, and many more have encountered arguments from those in that group. I create content and resources that will help you grow in your understanding of the Text so you can more fully understand who God is and be freed from all of that guilt and fear. In recent years, an increasing number of Christians have adopted teachings associated with the Hebrew Roots Movement (HRM). Put them together and you have something wonderful and complete. Furthermore, this criticism is a wee bit like the clover calling the grass green. He explains in verse 17 that the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Marty Solomon is one of the voices of the BEMA Podcast and is currently the President of Impact Campus Ministries. I'll review it around a few themes that rose to the top for me throughout the read. Marty Solomon and Brent Billings discuss the many teachings of Matthew 18, including some parables and rabbinic insights from Jesus. Therefore expanding my horizons a bit and my understanding a lot. It is before his own master that he stands or falls. Recall the simplicity of the gospel, which is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Gentile (Romans 1:16). Not at all! POWERFUL MYSTERY: Rob did a great job of communicating the empowered mystery of this ancient library of texts. Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? There is no question that many of our cultures Christmas traditions have no biblical basis, and HRM followers use this truth to label any and all celebrations of Christmas akin to worshipping pagan gods. Remember that the kingdom of God is not about food and drink, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit (Romans 14:17). Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. God the Father adopts believers So why did James think that four restrictions should be placed on Gentiles? I truly believe that my content will help you learn HOW to think, instead of just telling you WHAT to think. It does not imply that the law originated with Moses, as some HRM proponents have alleged. They recognized they were free to eat it because food will not commend us to God. The entire book is replete with references to these laws being given to the Israelite people for them to obey as they live in the land they were about to possess. And if it were wrong to celebrate it, why did he not take the opportunity to set people straight during the Feast of Dedication? For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. They're not 'prophetic.' Interviews. The last decade has been a journey of sharing resources, ideas, and experiences with others; Marty has a passion for teaching others how to ask better questions, pointing them toward experts who can help them grow and develop as followers of Jesus. He is the father of Jesus Christ, by the power of the Holy Spirit, and yet still one with both as God. In his later years he strongly embraced the teachings of John H. watts III, R. A. Crabb and C. Harry Anderson. In fact, the text specifically states twice that man was now permitted to eat every moving thing, and it mentions no restrictions. Read the testimonials. If he was not in Jerusalem to celebrate the holiday, then what was he there for? Before he ascended, Jesus delivered what is popularly called the Great Commission, in which he instructed his disciples to make disciples of all nations, and part of that process was to teach them to obey everything he had commanded them (Matthew 28:1820). Everybody should have someone to help them understand what the Bible is saying because God gave it to us for a reason. Paul urges these Gentile converts to understand that they are in danger of losing their reward if they seek to be sanctified in any way outside of faith in Christ, whether it be legalism (verse 16) or other fleshly practices, such as asceticism and mysticism (verses 1823). It appears the teacher, Marty Solomon, has a huge beard and looks like a hipster.I dont know how to take this. Every wonderful truth or insight I acquire from the Old Testament and its surrounding history supports and enriches the melody of Jesus. I'll review it around a few themes that rose to the top for me throughout the read. First, by inconsistently following the law, HRM followers are guilty of breaking the entire law. model prayers Marty Solomon 's review. and Ive seen that produce a lot of guilt and fear in them. Although he was raised in a Catholic family and received some Catholic religion education, he broke away from it during his early years. The well-known conversion of some Gentiles, Cornelius and those in his house, at Peters preaching sparked a crucial debate in the early church. So all in all, do I agree with him on everything? Leviticus 23 describes the proper protocol for celebrating the following feasts: Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, Weeks (Pentecost), Trumpets, Tabernacles, and Day of Atonement. WebTalking with Marty Solomon of the BEMA podcast about a myriad of things such as the nature of discipleship, the holy Scriptures, why BEMA has blown up and whether or not any of us are saved or Christians at all. You shouldnt feel guilt or fear because no one has ever walked them through what the Bible is talking about. We have all heard of at least some of the names but NEVER take someone else's word for who is false or not false. No. SERMONS videos Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets.4 By living a sinless life (2 Corinthians 5:21), and then dying as the ultimate sacrifice, our Passover (1 Corinthians 5:7), Jesus Christ fulfilled the law (Colossians 2:14). Part of the rationale behind this notion stems from certain statements from Jesus. Although they often speak of keeping the law, they are usually inconsistent in how this is understood and defined. However, Ive yet to find a teacher that I agree with 100% of the time. But I certainly do not believe it made me any holier than fellow believers who have not had such a wonderful opportunity. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ (Colossians 2:1617). But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. In some groups, extrabiblical rabbinic teachings and traditions are elevated (if not in official doctrinal beliefs then in practice) to the same level as Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. A space that God could fill the way He desires to fill it. Those who demand that others participate in these festivals and abstain from any other celebration or face Gods condemnation are teaching contrary to Scripture. Last Name. When Jesus spoke of the Law and the Prophets, he was likely referring to sections of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) instead of the Mosaic law. One person believes he can eat any type of food, but the one who is weak in faith believes he can only eat certain foods. Im still hearing people talk about it. The Queen You Thought You Knew by Rabbi David Fohrman. Prophecies of Revelation Copyright 2003-2019 All Rights Reserved. saved BORN AGAIN salvation WebTalking with Marty Solomon of the BEMA podcast about a myriad of things such as the nature of discipleship, the holy Scriptures, why BEMA has blown up and whether or not any of us are saved or Christians at all. Solomon asserts that Joseph is arrogant not just telling his brothers his dreams but much further in the account. We were not observant, but Jewish identity was central to who we were. Ezekiel 13, Certainly, Christians should do the good works God has set before them (Ephesians 2:10), but we are not saved by such efforts, nor do those efforts keep us in a state of grace. For example, HRM proponents criticize Christians who celebrate Christmas for a variety of reasons. Do not rely on my interpretation of its passages mentioned above or on the interpretation of various HRM teachers. Think about why none of the apostles ever instructed the Gentile believers to follow the Mosaic law when they had perfect opportunities to do so. Please note that this is not all inclusive. On your trip, youre going to see things that you thought you understood and learn how they are completely different than what we were taught. After all, the Mosaic law was given by God to a specific group of people at a specific time. He asserts Joseph is egocentric. In the follow-up episode, beginning at the 7:20 mark, Solomon asserts that Joseph is exhibiting Jacob-like self-interest when Joseph asks to be remembered by the baker and cupbearer! The same thing happens every year at Easter time. In Colossians 2, Paul explained that the Colossian believers, who were of the uncircumcision (i.e., Gentiles) had been circumcised with a circumcision made without hands having been saved through faith in the powerful working of God (Colossians 2:1112). Many of these struggles can be seen throughout the New Testament epistles and they have continued into the twenty-first century. Paul bluntly addresses this idea as well: O foolish Galatians! (Acts 15:2326, 2829, emphasis added). And if God changed the dietary restrictions at the time of Noah and the time of Moses, then there is no reason he could not have done so at the time of Jesus (Mark 7:1819). Marty Solomon went to Israel for the first time in 2008 and it changed everything. Instead, he provides the answer near the end of his letter. The Queen You Thought You Knew by Rabbi David Fohrman. I know the Bible as an incredibly rich sourcebook for truths which haven't changed a bit since they were written--about psychology and human nature, human society; historical science; God's explicit will for mankind; endless cause-effect statements about life which can guide how we live; many strong pictures and glimpses of God's character and His love, and endless signposts pointing to Christ at the center. left behind, And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. peacetreaty I will state right off the bat that I dont agree with everything Marty has to say. It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. wolves You can find the BEMA Podcast here: https://www.bemadiscipleship.com/episodes They identify the supporting bass chords to Western analytical thinking, and the defining melody to Eastern thinking.Applying the analogy to what I know and believe about life and truth and the Bible, the analogy gives me cognitive dissonance as applied. I am new to this forum, and found it because I wondered if anyone out there has checked out Bema thoroughly and has any red flags. Again, keep in mind that the HRM is not monolithic, that is, its followers often disagree on how much of Jewish culture and beliefs should be practiced. Thank you. I remember being in Bible college and feeling like things werent adding up. Satan is waging a war to confuse the people of God, but you do not have to be confused. Its easy to feel guilty that youve misread the By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The podcast is generally enjoyable. You can find the BEMA Podcast here: https://www.bemadiscipleship.com/episodes Perhaps because their goal is to converse, rather than argue, they do not tend to substantiate any of their claims by invoking authorities or logical sequences to connect A with B. Marty does not use the term "Jewish" or "Hebrew" thinking much if at all, but contrasts "Western" and "Eastern" thinking. But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will (Acts 15:1011). Volumes 1 & 2, https://jewsforjesus.org/publications/havurah/havurah-v04-n01/the-jewish-roots-movement-pros-and-cons/, https://www.thebereancall.org/content/january-2014-bewitching-believers-hebrew-roots. However, in the first two episodes. Hanukkah is an eight-day holiday to remember the rededication of the temple following the Maccabean Revolt (c. 167160 BC). WebMarty Solomon Interview: Asking Better Questions of the Bible. As mentioned earlier, the HRM often ignores relevant passages in the New Testament epistles. Matthew 16:18, NOTE: Nov. 24, 2018 - If the page you are looking for appears to be missing it is NOT! When HRM proponents condemn Christians for not following the Mosaic law and/or extrabiblical Hebrew traditions, then they have crossed a line repeatedly rejected by the apostles. That does not mean the opposite is true: "The Bible does not speak objective truths about actual history; nature; the nature of existance; the nature of anything" I see an implied false dichotomy and they repeat it often. Many HRM proponents respond to such claims by arguing that believers in Jesus are Jewish, even if they have no known Jewish heritage or ethnicity. Neither did the apostles at the Jerusalem Council instruct the Gentile believers to celebrate the Levitical feasts. You can find the BEMA Podcast here: https://www.bemadiscipleship.com/episodes Join us on one of our Study-trips to Israel and Turkey and see the places you read about in the Bible in a completely new way. Look closely at the other passages discussed in this article. He also told Noah that murderers deserve to be put to death, because man was made in Gods image (Genesis 9:6). How could Paul, a Jewish believer in the Messiah, tell people that they do not need to observe special days or dietary restrictions? This article describes the nature of the movement, examines some of its major beliefs in light of relevant biblical passages, and challenges those who have been influenced by its teachings. I have only barely begun listening to the podcast series, so my comments are based on the first 2 episodes. I'm not well enough read to react strongly one way or another to these, but I do know enough to sense a lot of background behind those few words. The list was not very long. A few acquaintances have recently mentioned to me the BEMA podcast. Long post warning. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? View fullsize. The second problem with the teaching that Gentiles must be placed under the Mosaic law is that the New Testament has much to say on this issue that directly contradicts the claims of the HRM, as will be explained in the remaining sections. The first seven chapters focus primarily on the churchs growth in Jerusalem. If the podcast accurately reflects how the Israelites read the Bible 2000 years ago, it could definitely give me some insights into the audience Jesus was talking to and why He said some of the things He did. We were Gods chosen people, but that status meant little to me except as a barrier that separated us from those who were not. [Editors Note 07/06/2018: While the previous sentence appeared in the original article, some of the wording in the remainder of the article gave the impression to some readers that every adherent to the HRM was being painted with a broad brush. Does the Old Testament have any teachings similar to this? It is a known fact that Gen 1 is a chiastic literary form. After leading a small congregation as a young, naive pastor, he was grappling with a dissonances between the Bible he loved and preached, the Jesus he was getting to know more and more, and the normal he was handed in the world of evangelical church ministry. Contact Marty Staff - Contact Marty. Instead of being under the law, Paul stated that in Christ, we have liberty and do not need to rely on law-keeping. Listening to this podcast has a been a great way to get exposure to viewpoints that I dont get it my Southern Baptist church. antichrist world leader Second, it is quite hypocritical to accuse Christians of celebrating pagan holidays (because extrabiblical ideas have become associated with the celebrations for some people) when their own celebrations are loaded with extrabiblical ideas. Marty Solomon possessed a strong grasp of the fundamentals of Pentecostalism. Jesus & We were Jews and we stuck together. Press J to jump to the feed. Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because MANY false prophets are gone out into the world. 319: The Forgotten Women Presentism and Primitivism 23 February 2023 | Season 6 | 46 mins 43 secs 318: Alonzo Felder Discovering A. S. J. Allen 16 February 2023 | Season 6 | 1 hr 6 mins 317: Asking Better Questions of the Bible w/ So if Jesus did not violate the law by celebrating a holiday not found in Leviticus 23, then why would it be wrong for Christians to celebrate a holiday not listed in that chapter? And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. Of particular interest here is that God specifically proclaims that he is changing what man is permitted to eat. POWERFUL MYSTERY: Rob did a great job of communicating the empowered mystery of this ancient library of texts. Watch the videos. Jeffrey Vander Laan Vice President & Director of Operations. There are people who continue to join. It should be mentioned that many HRM followers also celebrate Purim, another Jewish holiday that started long after Moses (Esther 9:2628). Of course, this does not mean it was fine to murder someone before God told Moses, You shall not murder (Exodus 20:13). But the Gospel of Jesus Christ is for all peoples. Why would the HRM celebrate such a festival when it is not mentioned in the Mosaic law? WebMarty Solomon Theres a better way to read the Bible. Malachi 3:5, Are you so foolish? I don't think Bell's take is all that revolutionary unless you're a literalist, in which case understanding the ancient Near Eastern worldview is a drastic change from the YEC modernist Western take. We were Jews and we stuck together. The decision of the Jerusalem Council carried the combined weight of the apostles and confirmation of the Holy Spirit. The Queen You Thought You Knew by Rabbi David Fohrman. Notice the similarity of verse 3 with James 2:10. He gave two strong cautions for those who choose to follow individual commandments of the Mosaic law. Jesus and all of his apostles were Jews. There are multiple problems with this type of argument. He called it a destructive narrow-minded worldview and explained that the most destructive, narrow-minded aspects of it is that its adherents feel as if they are the entirety of Christianity rather than the tiny sliver of it that they actually are. In this interview, Joshua Brown has a conversation about some topics that have been big revelations for us as a church. It says that Jesus told his disciples not to be afraid of the devil, because he is the appointed one. In his works, marty solomon reveals many interpretations of the truths surrounding the Christian faith. persecution The Gentiles were not under the Mosaic law, but this does not mean they were under no moral obligation to God. The remainder of this article will call attention to some of the serious errors promoted by the HRM. The list continues to grow. The gospel message Paul received and delivered is this: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:34, NKJV). Besides the issue of the law being fulfilled, this claim raises two additional problems. .upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. We were Jews and we stuck together. Thats why I dedicated my life to study and learn from mentors who taught me a new way of seeing things and how to keep learning and growing on my own. This article describes the nature of the movement, examines some of its major beliefs in light of relevant biblical passages, and challenges those who have been influenced by its teachings. Furthermore, it is highly questionable to assume that Jesus had the Mosaic5 Law in mind when he told the disciples to keep his commandments. This circumcision made without hands refers to a circumcision of the heart, which comes through the Spirit (Romans 2:2529). The person with a weak conscience is one who would not eat certain food, namely that which had been offered to idols. They're PATHETIC. The one who exercises his freedom to keep the law must recognize and respect anothers freedom not to keep it. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, I have heard such a response numerous times from HRM supporters. It is not about the works we might do for God, but what God has already done for us. Throughout Deuteronomy (the name of the book means second law), Moses repeatedly emphasized that God made this covenant with the Israelites at Mt. hell perdition He longs to help them see why the work they do every day is part of how God is putting the world back together. They have set up a Christianity consisting of haves and have-nots (i.e., the haves who keep the law and the have-nots who do not). 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